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Offline patrick quinn

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Re: Old Business - Name Change
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2014, 11:51:14 AM »
Sooo much good ideas and input to respond to.
First I really like the acronym, ONE, connection, together we are,
Second I really like 'neighbors helping neighbors' as a motto.
Third I am going to keep my focus local, maybe a networking committee to connect with groups that are working outside of our immediate area

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Re: Old Business - Name Change
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2014, 11:50:22 AM »
OK folks, I'm officially changing my vote to OZARKS NEIGHBORLY EXCHANGE.

I'm also preparing for migrating our group's online presence to a custom forum and off Bigtent. It will take quiite alot of work to do, and won't happen unless the membership votes it's approval at the next meeting. I'M ASKING THIS TO BE PUT ON THE MAY MEETING AGENDA. Also, once we decide on the new name it would be good to spend some money (less than $20 a year) on a domain name for our online presence. I have already investigated the variations of ONE names mentioned here, and they're all available. If some other name is chosen that can easily be checked as well.

With all that said, I'd like to give you a preview of the new website. Please keep in mind the name there can be changed, so don't hesitate to vote for YOUR preference irrespective of this prototype website. This preview is based on one of the mostly widely used forum software packages, Simple Machines Forum or SMF for short. The other choice is phpBB, but most admins would choose SMF over phpBB now.

The new forum supports a nice calendar and many email options. I believe it will suit our needs far better than Bigtent, but will require alot of my time to migrate our content from Bigtent over to the new site.

If the group approves the migration we should also discuss administration. Currently the bulk of that is on my shoulders and I am happy to continue in that role. Chuck Blanchard and Jon Kruger also help with some of that workload. Part of that discussion should be how to best share the workload and what type of budget our online presence will require. I would like to suggest a committee to deal with all of these issues. If you're interested in participating in such a committee please post a comment under the GENERAL DISCUSSION forum, not here.

Here is the link to the proposed new website: http://www.ozarkholler.com/ONE/ Take a look around and post your comments in the GENERAL DISCUSSION forum, not here please.
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Re: Old Business - Name Change
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2014, 11:48:23 AM »
I like Ozarks Neighborly Exchange. The term neighborly has a really sweet feeling to me and the fact that Ozarks has an "s" makes it more broad. As Bunny pointed out, Ozark is also the name of a city so that could lead to more confusion. I'm not set on any name though, because the name really isn't what's important but our actions and message that are important.

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Re: Old Business - Name Change
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2014, 11:47:33 AM »
GEORGE HERE. I PREFER "OZARK NEIGHBORS EXCHANGE". LIKE I USED TO TELL MY KIDS WHEN THEY WERE KIDS: " I DON'T DO 'WHY'". I JUST LIKE IT BETTER.
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Re: Old Business - Name Change
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2014, 11:46:00 AM »
Sabrina, I definitely got your point, there was no ambiguity in your message.

However, it is my opinion we should FIRST encourage THINKING LOCALLY above any thoughts about a national campaign. We don't have the resources for such a scope right now, and that's not our group's focus.

IMHO it is the responsibility of whatever national effort comes about to deal with the myriad of small, local groups it wants to associate and devise a plan and a name for the umbrella organization. We've never purported to have a national agenda or focus.

It may seem that is not a visionary perspective. Perhaps so. It is important to balance our goals. Thinking about a national campaign sounds like it will dilute what we KNOW we must all do NOW and what is in our ability to affect.

I'm beginning to warm up to OZARKS NEIGHBORLY EXCHANGE, and it extends the name reach beyond our county but not so far we can't relate. It's quite a big area. It also emotes a warmer feeling.

As for the other names you suggested Sabrina, they too have their merits as you point out. Never the less, I am rather strongly in favor of keeping the ONE acronym.

Good discussion people!
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Re: Old Business - Name Change
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2014, 11:45:16 AM »
I don't really care about the apostrophe or not. And I do like the "neighborly" sound of "neighbor" in it.

But I think you guys are totally missing my point and the bigger picture - when this goes national, the 'Ozark' part will be irrelevant. I know you're proud of being from the Ozarks, but I think we should think broader.

Sure, I like that there is an acronym that can be pronounced. I think having something easy to remember is great. But if this idea spreads, then the more logical break would be more towards "Ozark chapter" or "Theodosia Chapter" or "Dora Branch" or something like that.

ONE - OUR Neighbor Exchange ? Our Neighborhood Exchange ? Open Neighbor Exchange ? Organized Neighbor Exchange ?

UNE - United Neighbor Exchange ?

GANE - Great American Neighbor Exchange ?

HAND - Help American Neighbor D... ?

Nothing against "Ozark" except that it kind of limits our boundaries.

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Re: Old Business - Name Change
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2014, 11:44:33 AM »
What a great conversation about the name of our group. I think, as do others, that it is best to clarify now before we have to fill out whatever legal papers will need to be done.Thanks to all who have posted so far and I hope there will be more.

Bunny, I do know that the apostrophe is also used for contractions and as your example showed, not all words in our wonderfully inconsistent language use an apostrophe to designate possession/ownership. So, I agree, the apostrophe is causing more confusion than clarification. Let's dump that (my) idea.

I also agree that using "OZARKS" would be a great to show the inclusiveness of our group. OZARK in the singular is not as clear because it could be referring to Ozark CO or the town of Ozark. As Jay, Bunny, and others have pointed out, "OZARKS NEIGHBORS EXCHANGE" doesn't flow because of repetitive "s" sounds. Therefore, my preference at this time is "OZARKS NEIGHBORLY EXCHANGE." It has the advantage of including all of "The Ozarks" and the word "neighborly" expresses the old fashioned values of helpfulness and sharing that this group is aiming to revive. It also avoids the dreaded apostrophe question.

My second choice would be "OZARK NEIGHBORS EXCHANGE" although it misses the opportunity to focus the new person's attention on an attitude this group is fostering - neighborliness. It does have the advantage, however, of showing that this is a group of many people whereas "neighbor" indicates only one. So that's cool.

My opinion may change if other members post comments that further the conversation. Mostly, I think it's important that our name clearly states what we are about and that we get the most mileage possible out of it. For new people who are introduced to us by reading a flyer, that first impression is our only connection. So, yes I do think it is a time to be serious. If we want to get people remember the name by using humor, we could call ourselves,"OZARK HILLBILLY EXCHANGE." Extreme example? Yes, and I think it demonstrates that we only have 3 words. My point is to use them to our advantage.

There are two other points that I think are also important. I agree with Jon that we should maintain the acronym O.N.E. There are many reasons for this and perhaps Jon would be willing to speak to the physics of this in another post. Most evident is that it is EASY to remember.

The second point refers to what Karl said at the April meeting. Having our motto "Neighbors Helping Neighbors" under the name, is crucial. It clarifies and reinforces what we are about. I suggest that whatever name we decide on will always be accompanied by the motto directly under it.

That's it for me for now. Hope there is more discussion to follow. Let's shorten the meeting by doing it here on Big Tent. If there is someone who doesn't know how to use Big Tent, please call for assistance or to chat about this on the phone. 828-808-1848 Neighborly hugs to all...

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Re: Old Business - Name Change
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2014, 11:43:26 AM »
I also feel this isn't a terribly important topic and will happily go for whatever the group chooses (as long as it uses a O.N.E. acronym).

I'm not sure about the grammar, but a double plural doesn't "feel" right to me in this context, and doesn't sound very good IMO.

My vote is Ozark Neighbors Exchange, agreeing with Jon, Bunny & Susan.

But wait, how about "Ozarkian Neighbors Exchange"? Just kidding!
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Re: Old Business - Name Change
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2014, 11:42:01 AM »
I'll vote for the "Ozarks Neighbors Exchange" I agree with Bunny

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Re: Old Business - Name Change
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2014, 11:41:20 AM »
Just my 2¢ on changing the name:

The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe. As an astute member observed at the last meeting, apostrophes are often misused. Case in point, quoting Magda: "owned and operated by it's members" is an incorrect use of the apostrophe. i.e. "it's" is always a contraction of "it is" or "it was" or "it has." The possessive form of "it" is spelled "its." I think adding an apostrophe to "Neighbor" in any fashion only adds to the confusion and will proliferate errors. If we change it to "Ozark Neighbor's Exchange" then that implies that there is a single entity called "Ozark Neighbor" that owns the exchange. More on the mark would be "Ozark Neighbors' Exchange" which implies that the exchange is owned by a group of neighbors. However, the s' is a seldom-used convention nowadays, and it will inevitably be botched on some occasions.

Changing to "Ozark Neighbors Exchange" in my opinion gives a simpler look to any printed material we might generate and also has the advantage that it can be read as a sentence with "exchange" as the verb! It's a beautiful ambiguity that can also be read as the Exchange that is named for Ozark Neighbors.

I understand that Magda's original issue was that people were making jokes about the name. Personally, I see that as an asset, not a liability. Humor makes things more memorable, and if we really need to take ourselves so seriously that we can't take a few jokes now and then, I'm not sure it's the right group for me.

I also agree with Desirée that "Ozarks" makes more sense than "Ozark" for the O in O.N.E. Our region is known as "The Ozarks" and most of us live in Ozark County, but it's never been "Ozark County Neighbor Exchange" I guess because that would be "O.C.N.E." which is sort of pronouncable, though awkwardly. The orginal name might lead someone to believe that we were based in the town of Ozark, which is in Christian County. So I wouldn't mind if we changed the name to "Ozarks Neighbors Exchange" although that doesn't seem to roll of the tongue as easily as "Ozark Neighbors Exchange" which is my preference.

I don't feel strongly about this, and will accept whatever the group comes up with, but I vote against putting any apostrophes in.

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Re: Old Business - Name Change
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2014, 11:40:46 AM »
I vote same as Jon.
thanks
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Re: Old Business - Name Change
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2014, 11:40:03 AM »
I would like that the acronym O.N.E. is kept

Here are ten possible O.N.E. names:

Ozark Neighbor Exchange

Ozark Neighbors Exchange

Ozark Neighbors' Exchange

Ozark Neighborly Exchange

Ozark Neighborhood Exchange

Ozarks Neighbor Exchange

Ozarks Neighbors Exchange

Ozarks Neighbors' Exchange

Ozarks Neighborly Exchange

Ozarks Neighborhood Exchange

My preference is Ozark Neighbors Exchange.
When you say it it sounds like it has the possessive s' in it too

Ozark Neighborly Exchange. Neighborly is an adverb modifyng exchange which makes it a verb or action. I think Exchange should represent both an action (verb) and a place or thing (noun)

The s' makes neighbors a possessive and correct me if I am wrong a noun and therefore not as inclusive as just neighbors. Neighbors Exchange can mean an action and a place or thing

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Re: Old Business - Name Change
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2014, 11:39:18 AM »
If we want to keep the acronym O.N.E. I believe it's a good idea to add an 'S' to Ozark... Ozarks Neighbor Exchange. To me, Ozark insinuates that it's a county-wide movement but counties are totally irrelevant. OzarkS encompasses an entire region. Or it could Ozarks Neighborly Exchange or Ozarks Neighbors Exchange ... whatever we all decide. :)

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Re: Old Business - Name Change
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2014, 11:38:36 AM »
Beth and I lean in the "neighborly" direction.

Love it. Thank you Jan & Magda for the neighborly consciousness that brought it forth.

Al


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Re: Old Business - Name Change
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2014, 11:37:39 AM »
I was at a meeting last fall discussing future of WFNA, Well Fed Neighbor Alliance, where it was explained by the registered owner of the trademark that this is a trademarked slogan and that anyone wishing to use it should clear the use through the registered owner or acquire the rights to it from them.

Purely as an interloper here, but I like the ONE acronym for your fantastic local group.

For a higher level "franchisable" (if that is even a word) slogan, the best one I have run across so far is Moniteau Earthworks Consortium. The Earthworks Consortium part particularly. Shows importance of connection to Earth, and relates quickly the concept of loosely affiliated groups joined together as a "consortia". The fellow that came up with that just wants it to happen, is not stuck on who gets credit or has rights to the slogan ;~)

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